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Hätten sie nicht einen bekannteren Bösewicht nehmen können…

Ist der nicht bekannt? Kenn mich da nicht so aus…

Für den richtigen Comic-Fan sicherlich, aber für jemanden der nur die ganzen Animationsserien gesehen hat, sagt er mir gar nichts. Ist halt ein Lakai von Darkseid.

Edit: Oh kenne ihn doch. Hat aber damals keinen sonderlichen Eindruck hinterlassen :smiley:

Ah ok, mir hat Steppenwolf selbst auch nichts richtiges gesagt, aber bis auf den Joker, Bane und die anderen Böswewichten, die in den bekannten Verfilmungen vorgekommen sind, kenne ich eh kaum einen. Wen hättest du denn sehen wollen?

Man hätte natürlich gleich Darkseid nehmen können, aber den wollen sie sich wohl aufsparen. Ein Brainiac würde glaube ich von der Stärke und Bekanntheit gut passen, aber wahrscheinlich war es den Leuten zu nah an Ultron.

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Zu der Frage mit den Lizenzen für Filme und so: Ich kenn es zwar nur aus unserem Studentenkino, weiß nicht inwieweit wir da andere Konditionen bekommen, aber es ist auf jeden Fall sehr unterschiedlich je nach Verleih. Manche wollen nur einen Prozentualen Anteil (in der Regel zwischen 38%-43%), manche wollen Festpreise (in der Regel zwischen 80€-150€) und bei manchen eine Mischung aus beidem (ein gewisser Prozentsatz aber mindestens X€). Nicht selten ist es auch von der Größe des Saals und der Höhe des Eintritts abhängig.
Hinzukommt, dass bei manchen Filmen die Rechtelage schwierig ist. So wollten wir dieses Semester eigentlich Hunt for the Wilderpeople zeigen, da dieser Film aber keinen deutschen Kinoverleih hat, gab es keinen richtigen Ansprechpartner und der australische Verleih wollte 450€ haben. In der Regel bezieht sich die Buchung dann auch immer auf eine Woche.

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Darkseid habe ich schon mal gehört, sagt mir leider nur nichts und Brainiac kommt mir auch bekannt vor. Muss ich mal nachlesen

Ist Darkseid bei DC nicht irgendwie sowas wie Thanos bei Marvel?

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Ja

Die Vermutung beim Überfliegen seiner Charakterbeschreibung kam mir auch gerade. Edit: @Herzer hat’s ja schon bestätigt

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Wie du kennst die beiden nicht? Schäm dich …

Darkseid ist ein richtiger fieser Bösewicht so richtig gemein und böse, also nicht nur etwas sonder dermaßen Böse… das er einen Imageberater hat der heißt Brainiac und der ist noch viiiel böser, böser als alles bekannte böse .

Ich hoffe ich konnte dir damit etwas helfen.

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Darkseid ist doch einfach nur die Analogie auf die Verrohung der Gesellschaft auf Grund von Globalisierung und Antifeminismus.

Darkseid ist schon ein harter Knochen…
Mag den ja, besonders wenn er seine Kräfte einsetzt, er kann die Knöchel knacken lassen auf ne ganz fiese art,
Und vor allem sein Laserstrahl mit dem er in Kinosälen immer auf die Leinwand strahlt und allen auf den Sack geht, was für ein Bösewicht…der ist sooo böse, hoffe die Justus Liga kann ihn mal endlich in die Schranken weisen.

Ähnliches habe ich auch schon von Menschen gehört, die ich ganz gut kenne und die den Film bereits sehen durften… :slight_smile:

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Immerhin hat er sich keine Ausflüchte gesucht, sondern alles vollumfänglich zugegeben und die Schuld komplett bei sich erkannt.

Ich denke trotzdem nicht, dass ich seine Stand-Ups jemals wieder anschauen kann, da mir viele seiner Bits aus dieser Position heraus einfach im Hals stecken bleiben. Die FAZ hat dazu einen guten Kommentar, aus dem ich einfach mal folgenden Absatz zitiere:

Weil nämlich, wer politisch inkorrekte Witze, frauenfeindliche Witze macht, die nur machen darf, wenn er sonst im Leben eine völlig reine Weste hat. Sonst funktioniert die überspitzte Ironie, die nur durch das Doppelspiel aus Fakt und Fiktion gelingt, nicht mehr. Wenn die Vorwürfe gegen Louis C.K. stimmen, ist er einfach nur ein weißer Mann mittleren Alters, der gern vor seinen Mitarbeiterinnen masturbiert. Und darüber schlimmstenfalls noch geschmacklose Witze erzählt.
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/menschen/louis-c-k-der-sexist-dem-die-frauen-vertrauen-15286311.html

Diese Ansicht teile ich. Ich hoffe er hält sich an sein Versprechen und zieht sich lange aus der Öffentlichkeit zurück.

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Ellen Page hat vorhin bei FB auch ein gutes Statement zum Thema abgegeben.

“You should fuck her to make her realize she’s gay.” He said this about me during a cast and crew “meet and greet” before we began filming, X Men: The Last Stand. I was eighteen years old. He looked at a woman standing next to me, ten years my senior, pointed to me and said: “You should fuck her to make her realize she’s gay.” He was the film’s director, Brett Ratner.

I was a young adult who had not yet come out to myself. I knew I was gay, but did not know, so to speak. I felt violated when this happened. I looked down at my feet, didn’t say a word and watched as no one else did either. This man, who had cast me in the film, started our months of filming at a work event with this horrific, unchallenged plea. He “outed” me with no regard for my well-being, an act we all recognize as homophobic. I proceeded to watch him on set say degrading things to women. I remember a woman walking by the monitor as he made a comment about her “flappy pussy”.

We are all entitled to come into an awareness of our sexual orientation privately and on our own terms. I was young and although already a working actor for so long I had in many ways been insulated, growing up on film sets instead of surrounded by my peers. This public, aggressive outing left me with long standing feelings of shame, one of the most destructive results of homophobia. Making someone feel ashamed of who they are is a cruel manipulation, designed to oppress and repress. I was robbed of more than autonomy over my ability to define myself. Ratner’s comment replayed in my mind many times over the years as I encountered homophobia and coped with feelings of reluctance and uncertainty about the industry and my future in it. The difference is that I can now assert myself and use my voice to to fight back against the insidious queer and transphobic attitude in Hollywood and beyond. Hopefully having the position I have, I can help people who may be struggling to be accepted and allowed to be who they are –to thrive. Vulnerable young people without my advantages are so often diminished and made to feel they have no options for living the life they were meant to joyously lead.

I got into an altercation with Brett at a certain point. He was pressuring me, in front of many people, to don a t-shirt with “Team Ratner” on it. I said no and he insisted. I responded, “I am not on your team.” Later in the day, producers of the film came to my trailer to say that I “couldn’t talk like that to him.” I was being reprimanded, yet he was not being punished nor fired for the blatantly homophobic and abusive behavior we all witnessed. I was an actor that no one knew. I was eighteen and had no tools to know how to handle the situation.

I have been a professional actor since the age of ten. I’ve had the good fortune to work with many honorable and respectful collaborators both behind and in front of the camera. But the behavior I’m describing is ubiquitous. They (abusers), want you to feel small, to make you insecure, to make you feel like you are indebted to them, or that your actions are to blame for their unwelcome advances.
When I was sixteen a director took me to dinner (a professional obligation and a very common one). He fondled my leg under the table and said, “You have to make the move, I can’t.” I did not make the move and I was fortunate to get away from that situation. It was a painful realization: my safety was not guaranteed at work. An adult authority figure for whom I worked intended to exploit me, physically. I was sexually assaulted by a grip months later. I was asked by a director to sleep with a man in his late twenties and to tell them about it. I did not. This is just what happened during my sixteenth year, a teenager in the entertainment industry.

Look at the history of what’s happened to minors who’ve described sexual abuse in Hollywood. Some of them are no longer with us, lost to substance abuse and suicide. Their victimizers? Still working. Protected even as I write this. You know who they are; they’ve been discussed behind closed doors as often as Weinstein was. If I, a person with significant privilege, remain reluctant and at such risk simply by saying a person’s name, what are the options for those who do not have what I have?
Let’s remember the epidemic of violence against women in our society disproportionately affects low income women, particularly women of color, trans and queer women and indigenous women, who are silenced by their economic circumstances and profound mistrust of a justice system that acquits the guilty in the face of overwhelming evidence and continues to oppress people of color. I have the means to hire security if I feel threatened. I have the wealth and insurance to receive mental health care. I have the privilege of having a platform that enables me to write this and have it published, while the most marginalized do not have access to such resources. The reality is, women of color, trans and queer and indigenous women have been leading this fight for decades (forever actually). Marsha P. Johnson, Sylvia Rivera, Winona LaDuke, Miss Major, Audre Lorde, bell hooks, to name a few. Misty Upham fought tirelessly to end violence against indigenous women, domestic workers and undocumented women. Misty was found dead at the bottom of a cliff three years ago. Her father, Charles Upham, just made a Facebook post saying she was raped at a party by a Miramax executive. The most marginalized have been left behind. As a cis, white lesbian, I have benefited and have the privileges I have, because of these extraordinary and courageous individuals who have led the way and risked their lives while doing so. White supremacy continues to silence people of color, while I have the rights I have because of these leaders. They are who we should be listening to and learning from.

These abusers make us feel powerless and overwhelmed by their empire. Let’s not forget the sitting Supreme Court justice and President of the United States. One accused of sexual harassment by Anita Hill, whose testimony was discredited. The other proudly describing his own pattern of assault to an entertainment reporter. How many men in the media – titans of industry - need to be exposed for us to understand the gravity of the situation and to demand the fundamental safety and respect that is our right?
Bill Cosby was known to be predatory. The crimes were his, but many were complicit. Many more chose to look the other way. Harvey was known to be predatory. The crimes were his, but many were complicit. Many more chose to look the other way. We continue to celebrate filmmaker Roman Polanski, who was convicted of drugging and anally raping a young girl and who fled sentencing. A fugitive from justice. I’ve heard the industry decry Weinstein’s behavior and vow to affect meaningful change. But let’s be truthful: the list is long and still protected by the status quo. We have work to do. We cannot look the other way.
I did a Woody Allen movie and it is the biggest regret of my career. I am ashamed I did this. I had yet to find my voice and was not who I am now and felt pressured, because “of course you have to say yes to this Woody Allen film.” Ultimately, however, it is my choice what films I decide to do and I made the wrong choice. I made an awful mistake.

I want to see these men have to face what they have done. I want them to not have power anymore. I want them to sit and think about who they are without their lawyers, their millions, their fancy cars, houses upon houses, their “playboy” status and swagger.
What I want the most, is for this to result in healing for the victims. For Hollywood to wake up and start taking some responsibility for how we all have played a role in this. I want us to reflect on this endemic issue and how this power dynamic of abuse leads to an enormous amount of suffering. Violence against women is an epidemic in this country and around the world. How is this cascade of immorality and injustice shaping our society? One of the greatest risks to a pregnant woman’s health in the United States is murder. Trans women of color in this country have a life expectancy of thirty-five. Why are we not addressing this as a society? We must remember the consequences of such actions. Mental health issues, suicide, eating disorders, substance abuse, to name a few.
What are we afraid to say and why can’t we say it? Women, particularly the most marginalized, are silenced, while powerful abusers can scream as loudly as they want, lie as much as they want and continue to profit through it all.

This is a long awaited reckoning. It must be. It’s sad that“codes of conduct” have to be enforced to ensure we experience fundamental human decency and respect. Inclusion and representation are the answer. We’ve learned that the status quo perpetuates unfair, victimizing behavior to protect and perpetuate itself. Don’t allow this behavior to be normalized. Don’t compare wrongs or criminal acts by their degrees of severity. Don’t allow yourselves to be numb to the voices of victims coming forward. Don’t stop demanding our civil rights. I am grateful to anyone and everyone who speaks out against abuse and trauma they have suffered. You are breaking the silence. You are revolution.

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Unterstütze den Vorschlag Szenenapplaus

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Scherzkeks :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
@LeSchroeck Dann unterscheiden sich die US-Stimmen und die deutschen nicht so sehr. Gab es für euch noch keine Pressevorführung?
@anon11905255 ich habe etwas Bauchschmerzen bei seinem Statement. Er legt den Fokus für mein Gefühl sehr stark auf die Bewunderung, die ihm die Frauen entgegen gebracht haben. Klar, um die Machtposition, in der er sich befand, zu beleuchten, macht das Sinn, aber dennoch… ansonsten sehe ich das so wie du.
Dieser Auftritt hat ja jetzt schon etwas sehr Selbstbezügliches:

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Langjähriger Foren Buddy hätte nicht gedacht das du mir soo in den Rücken fällst, dachte würdest für meine abstimmen
Da definitiv die besten …

Harvey WeinScene genial… Aber vllt etwas zu früh.

Dann hätte ich noch

FrankenScene ich glaub der wird’s,
Tut mir leid Folks

@Parapluie hey den Bit kannt ich noch nicht von ihm, hab mich weggeschmissen, danke fürs teilen :slight_smile:

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